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These are certainly in an alphabetical section where "musket" fits, but I haven't been able to find any matches so far. I've also tried "mossberg" and "remington" as possible shotgun manufacturers (and others that don't fit alphabetically, in case they're outliers like the benelli) but no hits yet...machf wrote:As for the other ones, I'm not sure if they're shotguns or rifles. Was thinking they may be old models too and I was looking at the Mystery Models for that reason, I remembered the Ancient Gun and was wondering if they may have uncommon names like some blunderbuss or musket or flintlock gun...
Trailing spaces are from when the listings were converted from the original .txt files into .csv files to be imported into a spreadsheet... I know there are some left here and there.LtSten wrote:I've verified the existing TPA lists and there seem to be a few mistakes, trailing spaces, and technically wrong characters:
Funny, I wonder how that happened... probably typing it manually instead of copying and pasting it from the retail listing to the Beta96 one, with the "2" looking like a "7" from a distance.
- 6DE801E6 is given as "Bone07" in 96, 97, 99, 103 but "Bone02" in 116 and 117. "Bone02" is correct.
Somehow the "autocorrect" on the spreadsheet has the tendency to replace the "-" with the other charater whenever it's between blank spaces, I keep manually changing it back all the time (for example, in the "GUN - " names this week or those "SPEC - " ones earlier), but that one slipped past unnoticed...[*] 50784B5F is "VC A120 – H128" in 96, 97, 99, but this uses the "–" character rather than the correct "-" (it shows up as "VC A120 û H128" in my lists...)
Ah, that was when I first created the listing (the very first one) and was manually typing the CRCs (so the old text files probably have the same error). For the later listings, I used copy and paste instead for the whole column, after dumping the contents of the file...[*] Index 256 in Stream.tpa of TresTPAs.xls has the CRC BDED108E, but the CRC of "va139" is BDED108B. I think this is a typo in the CRC column since TPA player reports the CRC as BDED108B.
Manual typing? EDIT: Oh, no... it's that they changed the name from the previous builds in build 55, I see... just like the one below. I need to change the reverse CRC value too...[*] 2822C5B5 in 55 (Stream.tpa, index 569) is listed as "annelighthit5", whereas 96 onwards have "annelighthit05". The 05 version is correct.
One of those sounds which changed between the earlier builds and build 55, I guess. Some are in the same place but are different sounds. That one went unnoticed.[*] 81ECB16E is listed as "tric-bite-03" in 55 but this doesn't match. I think the correct version is "tric-bite-01b"[/list]
See above. I'll go through them... hopefully it's only in the retail listing and maybe the Beta 96 one... (those two are the earlier ones, we didn't have any other builds than the retail back then when I started until the Beta appeared, and I added the demo later)The following are essentially correct but have trailing spaces in their cells (the correct versions are without the trailing space). I admit I haven't checked which sheets these are from, though...
EDIT: Apparently, those were from the Demo listing.. I'll check the other ones anyway.
- F3E579C3 - "DRY FIRE A "
- 8CC2BAFA - "Wood Stick "
- E3C52B3B - "Metal Crate Large "
- C3BDE1D2 - "Metal Dull C "
- 3C1F5012 - "GUN - AUTOMATIC DRYFIRE 01 "
- 8CE1ECF3 - "Basketball - Cement "
- 8F4FEA56 - "PLACEHOLDER VOCAL "
- 99784E9D - "ANNE FOOT BLOOD "
- BF11C5BF - "Blood "
- 2E83E99A - "ANNE FOOT SMALL TREE "
- 37337362 - "Tree Small "
I've also tried those same ones, without success, either.These are certainly in an alphabetical section where "musket" fits, but I haven't been able to find any matches so far. I've also tried "mossberg" and "remington" as possible shotgun manufacturers (and others that don't fit alphabetically, in case they're outliers like the benelli) but no hits yet...machf wrote:As for the other ones, I'm not sure if they're shotguns or rifles. Was thinking they may be old models too and I was looking at the Mystery Models for that reason, I remembered the Ancient Gun and was wondering if they may have uncommon names like some blunderbuss or musket or flintlock gun...
Hmm, this last part sounds interesting. What then might be the original guns?I've also tried those same ones, without success, either.
The Benelli is the first in the "shotguns" section, up to the Remigton 870. From Barret to Ruger Mini-14 you have the rifles. From Colt Diamondback to S&W you have handguns. And from Browning Hi-Power to Stoeger Uplander you have the earliest guns in Trespasser, most likely...
Ah yeah, I see that now, that ordering makes a lot more sense! I'm still thrown off by just how much one of those unknown ones sounds like the Benelli M1, but you're certainly right that from the names at least, you'd expect it to be a rifle.machf wrote: The Benelli is the first in the "shotguns" section, up to the Remigton 870. From Barret to Ruger Mini-14 you have the rifles. From Colt Diamondback to S&W you have handguns. And from Browning Hi-Power to Stoeger Uplander you have the earliest guns in Trespasser, most likely... (oh, and from Cylinder Click to Tranq Dart Rifle it's the "other gun sounds" section, apparently).
Or one of them might be a typo... which can be tested with my program, by placing dummy characters in the final positions and increasing their number progressively until you see a pair which more or less match. For example, "***01 and "***02" giving you a difference in a single character from the previous 4 ones (where the difference is the same that there is between the ASCII code for the letter "O" and for the number "0", for example) would mean that both names are equal in every other character but one of them replaced a "0" with an "o" by mistake...LtSten wrote: Ah yeah, I see that now, that ordering makes a lot more sense! I'm still thrown off by just how much one of those unknown ones sounds like the Benelli M1, but you're certainly right that from the names at least, you'd expect it to be a rifle.
The same ones have been present since build 22, back when nearly all the guns (including the Benelli, for argument's sake) in those lists are in 01/02 pairs, so I'm surprised the CRCrevs are so different for these two. I suppose they could be generic "rifle" sounds, a bit like how "shotgun dry click 01" and "shotgun load" pair up later on. But these are full-blown gun firing sounds. Hmm...
Yeah, me neither, unfortunately, and I've been hoping someone who can tell by the sound what actual gun it is shows up on the forum...My current working theory is that they might be something like "m14 rifle" and "m14a1 rifle", that kind of thing (or m1 garand and m1 carbine). Doesn't help that I hardly know anything about guns either.
You know, I'm realizing even the groups' names may be sorted alphabetically:LtSten wrote: Ah yeah, I see that now, that ordering makes a lot more sense! I'm still thrown off by just how much one of those unknown ones sounds like the Benelli M1, but you're certainly right that from the names at least, you'd expect it to be a rifle.
Yes, I somehow suspect the first has soemthing to do with "boulder", and for the second I've even tried "Drag-Wood-Small-Cement" (since there's another one which is "Drag-Wood-Small-Dirt"), but with no luck...LtSten wrote: Edit: I've been listening to a few more sounds in the retail effects TPA. Extracting the wavs and using fc.exe to binary-compare the files, index 446 (AB68D478) is the same sound as "boulder small", and index 191 (E680FB41) is the same as "drag-wood-cmnt-light", even though they have distinct sample offsets. There don't seem to be any other unknowns with identical lengths to other sounds in that TPA, though.
Yeah, I guessed you were bored not having found other names so far... it's good to have pointed out those typos/errors.LtSten wrote: Also, my earlier post of "here are a load of issues" wasn't supposed to sound so critical - it's all intended in a constructive feedback way of "here's a thing I noticed"!
For E680FB41, guess what turns out to be a match... "drag-wood-cmnt-light.zdf". What an odd extension.LtSten wrote: Edit: I've been listening to a few more sounds in the retail effects TPA. Extracting the wavs and using fc.exe to binary-compare the files, index 446 (AB68D478) is the same sound as "boulder small", and index 191 (E680FB41) is the same as "drag-wood-cmnt-light", even though they have distinct sample offsets. There don't seem to be any other unknowns with identical lengths to other sounds in that TPA, though.
From the retail, it's #2, #170, #171, #263, #446, #454, $455, and #456 (with MISSING being #0). #191 is the one I just posted above, and LtSten found #436 while the forum was down, too (and I had been SO CLOSE to finding it too!).Rebel wrote:Are we missing 8 samples from the retail Effects.tpa, machf? I just rebuilt the effects.tpa the trilogy package uses
and entries # 171, 191, 263, 436, 446, 454, 455 and 456 have no match. Is that correct?
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806DC7ED SPEC-WOODEN DOOR HINGE
Lol. Well, don't do that. You've got one of the better brains around here, I wouldn't want to see you lose any of that gray matter.I had tried "SPEC-WOODEN DOOR CREAK", "SPEC-DOOR HINGE CREAK", and later, both with "SQUEAK" replacing "CREAK", and I never tried combining them into one... makes me want to bang my head against the wall.
Lol. Well, don't do that. You've got one of the better brains around here, I wouldn't want to see you lose any of that gray matter.I had tried "SPEC-WOODEN DOOR CREAK", "SPEC-DOOR HINGE CREAK", and later, both with "SQUEAK" replacing "CREAK", and I never tried combining them into one... makes me want to bang my head against the wall.