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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:28 pm 
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Anyone ever literally break the gates at the harbor leading to the lab? I went for both of the green keycards to see as much of the level
as possible. Tried the Atlantic keycard on the lock first, then the warehouse one. I don't even know why I tried both, but the gates started
moving towards each other again and then simply fell to the terrain as they touched each other. I was able to replicate it and have a save
as well as a video. I showed tatu and he said the magnets broke. You can literally see the doors drop to the terrain before they move
towards each other again. Never seen this before :P


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 1:22 am 
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Well nuts. I'd want to test it out myself but I don't think I've seen such a glitch before. Neat!!

I still believe the older versions of this puzzle are better. You have to shove the green keycard across the ground to the reader on the other side, using a ribar or other object. So cool.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:17 am 
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This is funny.
And as I said to Hilwo, the magnets have no break script so I have no clue why this happen. :D

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:06 am 
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What kind of magnet work does it use? There is a thing in retail Tres where magnets get "turned on" or some such, which I always found confusing. It's possible to achieve the same effect with "Frozen = true/false" script, so I never bothered to really learn it. But magnets normally holding a door shut can be made to activate axis-freedom. Maybe that is related?

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"Well, as long as you're under there, you can check the breakers," Thorne said. ... "There's a box right behind the front bumper. Over on the left."
"I see it." [said Sarah]
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"The box is in backward. Flip all the switches the other way. Are you dry?"
"No, Doc. I'm soaking wet, lying in the damn mud."

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 7:51 am 
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Draconisaurus wrote:
I still believe the older versions of this puzzle are better. You have to shove the green keycard across the ground to the reader on the other side, using a ribar or other object. So cool.

I already forgot about that :) Maybe I'll replay some build 96 levels soon as well.

Made a new save with both keycards at the gates for easy viewing/testing. Left one is from the Atlantic, I put the bugged toxic rifle next to the warehouse one.

Edit: Als here is a gif :)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:00 pm 
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Hum, the page isn't loading for me.
Also I think b96 has an easier version but it's b55 that has the one where you need to push the card.

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"I see it." [said Sarah]
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"No, Doc. I'm soaking wet, lying in the damn mud."

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:52 pm 
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Draconisaurus wrote:
Hum, the page isn't loading for me.
Also I think b96 has an easier version but it's b55 that has the one where you need to push the card.

Sorry to hear, it works for me?
Ah okay :) I did try b96 earlier today but I can't get either card to work with the padlock. Can't remember if they worked or not.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:03 am 
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Hey, this happened to me years ago when I did the exact same thing! Always thought it was one of those one-time bugs. :P I was like "uh...okay then" and proceeded on my way.

It may have something to do with the triggers, but I don't know the scripting of that particular gate. I'm guessing they forgot to implement a check to see if the gates had already been opened by the first keycard...perhaps this is caused by toggling the Frozen value to False when it is already set to False? There is a lot of scripting in the retail levels that is a huge mystery as they often did things in a complicated fashion.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:36 am 
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TheIdiot wrote:
Hey, this happened to me years ago when I did the exact same thing! Always thought it was one of those one-time bugs. :P I was like "uh...okay then" and proceeded on my way.

It may have something to do with the triggers, but I don't know the scripting of that particular gate. I'm guessing they forgot to implement a check to see if the gates had already been opened by the first keycard...perhaps this is caused by toggling the Frozen value to False when it is already set to False? There is a lot of scripting in the retail levels that is a huge mystery as they often did things in a complicated fashion.

Yeah, it didn't work every time for me, but most of the times it did :) I still don't get why they even added a second green keycard :P


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:59 pm 
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I think the second card is nice! It both adds a reason to fully explore the warehouses, and it ads a degree of non-linear puzzle to the level.

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"Well, as long as you're under there, you can check the breakers," Thorne said. ... "There's a box right behind the front bumper. Over on the left."
"I see it." [said Sarah]
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"The box is in backward. Flip all the switches the other way. Are you dry?"
"No, Doc. I'm soaking wet, lying in the damn mud."

~Michael Crichton


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:30 pm 
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Draconisaurus wrote:
I think the second card is nice! It both adds a reason to fully explore the warehouses, and it ads a degree of non-linear puzzle to the level.

Oh I like that it's there, but it's in such an illogical place you'd think people would only find it by accident :D


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:57 pm 
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Hilwo wrote:
Draconisaurus wrote:
I think the second card is nice! It both adds a reason to fully explore the warehouses, and it ads a degree of non-linear puzzle to the level.

Oh I like that it's there, but it's in such an illogical place you'd think people would only find it by accident :D


Specially as the warehouse card is not present in the build 55 version. Maybe it was part of an idea they never got time to finish as they clearly wanted you to fight the T-Rex at the warehouses. :D

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:32 pm 
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tatu wrote:
Specially as the warehouse card is not present in the build 55 version. Maybe it was part of an idea they never got time to finish as they clearly wanted you to fight the T-Rex at the warehouses. :D

Yeah really seems like they didn't find the proper place for the second card yet. There's very little difference in b55 and b96 in these shots. What is see is the stairs on the left seems to have been moved, and the time of day looks different.

Edit: screenshots fixed.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:04 am 
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Yeah. For all we know it could be some inside joke stuff that some tester never found the keycard or something. :D

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:46 am 
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tatu wrote:
Yeah. For all we know it could be some inside joke stuff that some tester never found the keycard or something. :D

Yeah :) The one in the warehouse with the toxic rifle (though bugged) really does seem like a reward for exploring. The strategy guide mentions it as being the easier way to obtain it, and I remember reading the same elsewhere before ever reading the strategy guide. Must have been Sinjin's guide. I remember finding that odd, as to me it's way easier to get the one from the Atlantic container. But I think for the guides it was still in the warehouse from the screenshots above. For retail it was moved to the other warehouse and with the neccessary box climbing, way harder to get in my opinion.

Edit: I think I read it in the guide on TrespasserNet, which I think also used the strategy guide.


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