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Author:  Isolt [ Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

TheIdiot wrote:
machf wrote:
Isolt wrote:
Ah I thought all the tiny tree textures were them

Ah, you mean the mipmaps... they are stored in order to save time, instead of having the came recalculate the texture at further distances (when it's shrunk), they're precalculated and stored in the .PID/.SWP files. I don't know how CE handles them It's likely that if you use .DDS textures, the mipmaps will be contained within them, too.

So long as you generate mipmaps when you export your .dds files, yes, it does appear to use the mipmaps from the .dds files. The impostors however do not appear to benefit from HD textures and instead use the normal textures which are contained in the .swp instead.

OK looking at the files I was referring to he small tree images "Vtalpalm" "Vswamptreet" "Vbillboard" etc, what are they used for? there are quite a few of them.
What can I use to generate .DDS files? I'm currently getting .BMP as an output from the up-scaler but I have a few other options.

I've had another look at the differences in the textures between levels. They're not exactly the same but I'm not sure the differences will be meaningful after they're scaled.
Are the pallet differences noticeable between levels? Not counting any terrain textures in this case as they're not used in CE.

Author:  machf [ Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

You can use the GIMP to generate DDS files... just import your original texture and export it as a DDS file. You can import the mipmaps as additional layers, or just have GIMP generate them during the export process, I think...

Author:  tatu [ Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

I believe TheIdiot know a program that can autoconvert .dds files in batches while fixing "issues" with them and reducing their filesize without effecting the quality.

I think there are very few textures that are effected between levels. I believe it is mainly walls that could be effected and some gates. And terrain textures but you don't do them anyway.
Palette might be different but I don't think that will matter after doing this anyway. :)

Author:  machf [ Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

Certainly not, as the hi-res textures loaded externally by CE can be 24-bit RGB instead...

Regarding the palettes, look at this image:
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See that bright spot near the bottom left corner? That's an effect of the downconversion from a 24-bit RGB image to an 8-bit paletted image using "nearest match". My suggestion is to look for the same texture on a different level using a different palette which may have given a different result. Maybe averaging all the versions of the same texture may approximate the original RGB one.

Of course, if you can just use the RGB textures provided in the MAX files we got, it's a better option...

Author:  Isolt [ Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

machf wrote:
Of course, if you can just use the RGB textures provided in the MAX files we got, it's a better option...

Where would I find these? Is it too much to hope they use the same file names?

Quote:
I believe TheIdiot know a program that can autoconvert .dds files in batches while fixing "issues" with them and reducing their filesize without effecting the quality.

This sounds useful!

Author:  machf [ Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

Isolt wrote:
machf wrote:
Of course, if you can just use the RGB textures provided in the MAX files we got, it's a better option...

Where would I find these? Is it too much to hope they use the same file names?

Look here:
http://www.trescom.org/editing/

Author:  Isolt [ Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

machf wrote:

Ahh great got some good textures from the mystery models, updated all the 8 bit with 24bit versions of the models in there. No dinosaur textures sadly.
"IJVegMasters" has a lot of vegetation but they're all 24bit, not 32bit like the ones I've extracted. I suppose this means they're missing the alpha layer for transparency?
There's about 600 of them so it would be quite a bit of work to add the alpha layers even if i knew how. Any automated tools?

Author:  machf [ Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

That's because the texture maps and the opacity maps are stored separately... texture maps end in "t2.bmp" and their corresponding opacity maps end in "o8.bmp". If you wnat to make them a single file, well, just combine them...

EDIT: oh, and the ones ending in "b8.bmp" are the original bumpmaps for some of those textures...

Author:  Isolt [ Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

This isn't really my area of expertises sadly.
I'm assuming CE needs the Alpha layer in it's texture override files for transparency? What does the trespasser community use to combine these?
Any 24bit dinosaur textures lurking around? I'm amazed at the stuff you guys have managed to dig up over the years.

EDIT: Do any of the earlier builds available use better then 8 bit textures?

Author:  tatu [ Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

I would recommend comparing textures from "IJVegMasters" with ones used in one of the levels cause I know some are different.

And AFAIK the earlier build don't have better quality textures. Some levels might even have more palette issues as well.

Author:  killer89 [ Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

Upscaled the posters found from Nedry's office. They aren't super sharp, but still pretty damn good.

I noticed no one had posted a link to the upscaling tool, so here it is: https://bigjpg.com/

Also, hello everyone. :P

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Author:  machf [ Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

That looks good.
Hello, and welcome back!

Author:  TheIdiot [ Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

Looks really cool! It's too bad Tres doesn't have simple lighting like this, it would be so much easier to create atmospheric interiors that way rather than have to resort to fiddling around with fog and fake transparent light objects.

We should start another online RPG set in the Kandar universe (whatever that would be...I imagine a strange crossover of He-Man, Conan and the Dungeons and Dragons movie, with Dennis Nedry being the all-powerful omniscient god manipulating the fates of the adventurers...)

Author:  killer89 [ Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

TheIdiot wrote:
It's too bad Tres doesn't have simple lighting like this, it would be so much easier to create atmospheric interiors that way rather than have to resort to fiddling around with fog and fake transparent light objects.


Which reminds me... More salt to the wounds:

https://tcrf.net/Prerelease:Jurassic_Pa ... #InGen_Lab

Quote:
Beyond a gate, nestled in a narrow point of the valley which opens out to the harbor, the InGen lab's three university-style buildings loom out of the advancing vegetation, the last remnants of Hammond's great aspiration. With the power restored, emergency exterior and interior lighting come on, making the scene even spookier - the outside floods and the red-tinged interior light make it seem as if the inhabitants just recently fled, unable to stop some sudden Day of the Triffids-like attack by the jungle.

Author:  Draconisaurus [ Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Neural Network Texture up-scaling

This is some nice stuff ya'll are doing. Glad you found the Mystery Models.

Small note, if it makes a difference: I recall that the bark of the trees in TestScene are brighter than in other levels. I do believe per-level texture assortments is a sound way to go.

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