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Some of you gents are insane with these 20 - 30mb music clips! As an example, I took Draco's 24mb clip;
AMB-SNES-TRIC-TROT, converted it to 22050 single channel, then encoded it to Trespasser's unique block
alignment. What I turned out was a wav file of 1.45mbs. Naturally, it'll only play inside of the game or by
the tpa_player (normal wave players don't play Trespasser's compressed wavs as you know), but it sounded
ok to me (both in the player and in_game).

24mbs down to 1.45mbs is a big difference -


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Yeah, that's why I joked about Drac having included the whole Jurassic Park soundtrack by John Williams in his TPAs...

Oh, and Rebel, my player has no problem playing it...

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Oh, and Rebel, my player has no problem playing it...


What player do you have, machf? I know windows player won't play them, I don't think
audacity does either, does it?

btw, the encoder listed on the main site doesn't work correctly, maybe that's why Draco
said when he tried it the produced wave sounded lousy.

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Media Player Classic, Home Cinema Edition, with FFdshow for the codecs.

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Yeah, that's why I joked about Drac having included the whole Jurassic Park soundtrack by John Williams in his TPAs....

Hah. That was in reference to EastDock, I remember that. I got pretty upset about the comment, too :lol:

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I think the TPAs added up to about half the tonnage of the level...

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Well, there's a few more in the link below. Drac, your chaos-island music was 42mbs! That's insane. It's encoded down
to 2.7mbs. I'm not opposed to super stereo quality music clips, but I'd at least drop the sample rate down to 22050, you
could do so without a noticeable loss of quality.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/eofhwf1k ... ps.7z/file

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Too bad Lee is not that active. Otherwise we could ask for a system for CE where you could store the audio files in their own folder and it would read/play them. Kinda like how you can setup a folder to store the screenshots in. :) They would just be named with their ID used.

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Trespasser at some point allowed you to do that, sort of. Only that you needed the sounds saved as .CAU files, and referenced them by their names. Look at the old documents:

TRIGGERS - Temp 0705.doc wrote:
AUDIO ACTIONS

Samples and location
Samples are currently specified my filename. The filename is relative to the audio directory that is local to the current .GRF file. If the .GRF file is in C:\Test and the specified sample is Voice00.CAU then the full of the sample will be C:\Test\Audio\Voice00.CAU

File Format
Triggers will not load .WAV files, only .CAU files which are the internal game format and are optimized for compressed streaming. The compression used within the .CAU file is controlled by the compression tool and is hidden from the rest of the system, therefore it does not need to be specified.

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See the audio document for more details and suggested formats.

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Do we know if the game still supports this?

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No idea, it's worth a try...

If the code is still present, it could be modified to play regular WAV files, too.

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A quick test with the demo show it doesn't work. I wonder if older GUIApp versions (E3) can do it.

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I'm sure they ditched that idea early on in the engine's development, tatu. Instead of having hundreds of .cau files sitting inside of
a folder, they (and I'd assume that would have been wyatt) developed the .tpa file format. A lot of the games I've played do have
the audio sitting inside of a folder (Indiana jones comes to mind), but it isn't the sheer number that Trespasser uses.

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Some games, both old and modern ones support both. They have packed files that will be read first, then anything else that is unpacked/placed outside of them will overwrite what is inside the packed files. :)

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Heh, Chaos Island music? Which track are you referring to...

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