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 Post subject: Old dinosaur riggings
PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:22 am 
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Remember back then in July or so, when I wrote this?

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Not quite the same, but I've been working on figuring out the original PVAs (physics vertex assignments, according to sources) used for the old dinosaurs, before they changed to "PVA = -2" (t-script-defined) for everything. I've run decompilers on the various earlier executables and have found the locations storing the hardcoded vertex assignments for the various dinosaurs. Now it's a matter of converting that into matching t-scripts... which will be a long and tedious process.


Well, today I took the time to convert the hardcoded data into something that can be used.

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Here's the (partial) reference, BTW:

Code:
//**************************************
//
// PVA Assignments Key:
//
// PVA 1:
// PVA 2:
// PVA 3:
// PVA 4: Latest Raptor (Dancing Raptor)
// PVA 5: New Anne Stuff (lots of hand modifications incl. opening/closing)
// PVA 6: Raptor with Jaw assignments
//
// PVA 1000: Anne
//
// PVA 2000: Velociraptor
//
// PVA 3000: T-Rex
//
// PVA 4000: Triceratops
//
// PVA 5000: Allosaurus
//
// PVA 6000: Para
//
// PVA 7000: Stegosaur
//
// PVA 8000: Compy
//
// PVA 9000: Brachiosaur
//
// PVA 10000: Baby Triceratops
//
// PVA 11000: Baby T-Rex
//
//**************************************


And then I went and used the data to fix the TPM files for a couple of dinosaurs:

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I tried to rig the Green Rex too, but the number of vertices in the mesh found in IJ and PH doesn't match the one in the hardcoded PVA values...

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:52 am 
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Forget what I said eralier, here's the Green Rex in all its 256*256-pixellated glory:

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Turns out that the software I had used for decompiling the exe had skipped that section, no wonder I couldn't find anything matching the Green Rex...

Now, let's go after the Brown Raptors...

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Well shit, actual pre-release dino riggings. Like cloning a dinosaur you previously had only bones of. That IJ Trike - its mesh is different from retail, yes? Hadn't given it a second thought, might be nice to use.

As for Mr. Green..... Time to pump out an HD texture by compositing materials...

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:38 am 
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Enjoy!

One Brown Raptor just out of the oven, one!

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Apparently had the same problem as with the Green Rex - but not anymore!

Going to do the same thing to the various Anne meshes later...

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Compy and baby dinosaurs, interesting... I wonder if they ever put those in any level.

Really nice. Possible to do the raptor in TestScene as well, the long clawed one?

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Sure, I was just working on it...

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Took me a while because for some reason I couldn't extract the textures in TresEd... that level kept loading with messed up texture, in the meantime I used Rebel's version of the Raptor to get them.

Now I'm off to bed... good night everyone!

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And here's one I forgot to finish last night(because I got sidetracked trying to export the long-clawed raptor to TPM):

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I used the other Green Rex (the first one was from IJ, this is the one from PH) to provide the existing alternate hardcoded PVAs, corresponding to PVA = 3002; the other one is from PVA = 3001, which is the one both Green Rexes actually use, but I haven't found another Rex using the 3002 value in any level so far... so I said, what the heck, let's use the second one, since the vertex count is the same.

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Aaaaaand... here's Black Shirt Anne, from TestScene 32:

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For some reason, I have't been able to attach the PVA info to the other erion of Anne contained in builds 22, 32 and 55... the number of assignments is right, but the vertex order is wrong, and I've tried two different ones.

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Odd. The Annes in those builds obviously work somehow; doesn't that mean the engine contains their PVAs?

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Yes, so I guess the level files from which I'm extracting the mesh(es) have had them reimported or something...

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Well, finally, here's the other version of Anne as she appeared in IJ from Build 22:

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And just to be sure, here she is as she appeared in IJ from Build 32, which has the Bone #0 properly centered at (0,0,0):

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So, it was the same problem I had with the Green Rex... with the additional that, apparently, there have been several Anne meshes with the same number of vertices, so the one I was attempting to use belonged to a different one, and the one I needed had been skipped by the decompiler I had used...

Too bad we don't have an old version of the Steg... or that "Allosaurus" listed in the code... or the baby dinos or the compy, either.

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I wonder about all the Allo/Ally material in Tres. At what point he became Alberta, what the transition period was like. Wouldn't be surprised if the Alberta kept getting called Allo for a bit. Or, maybe Alberto was the original intention, and some dev just looked at it and thought it was an Allo, and it took a while for the names to be fixed in the places they were..

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// PVA 8000: Compy

Hmm, so that's more evidence at the compy also having been cut alongside gallimimus...wonder where the baby Rex would have fit in as well? There's no mention of one anywhere else in any Tres material as far as I'm aware.

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I wonder about all the Allo/Ally material in Tres. At what point he became Alberta, what the transition period was like. Wouldn't be surprised if the Alberta kept getting called Allo for a bit. Or, maybe Alberto was the original intention, and some dev just looked at it and thought it was an Allo, and it took a while for the names to be fixed in the places they were..

I still wonder if allosaurus was indeed meant to be in the game...that one pre-release screenshot of an early red dinosaur model looks a lot more like an allosaurus than an albertosaurus to me.

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Who knows? Maybe one of these days we may find out from one of the developers...

Here's the actual list of functions in Build 22:

Code:
//**************************************
//
// PVA Assignments Key:
//
// PVA 0: PVA_0
// PVA 1: PVA_1
// PVA 2: PVA_2
// PVA 3: PVA_3
// PVA 4: PVA_4 - Latest Raptor (Dancing Raptor)
// PVA 5: PVA_5 - New Anne Stuff (lots of hand modifications incl. opening/closing)
//
// PVA 1000: PVA_Anne0
// PVA 1001: PVA_Anne1
// PVA 1002: PVA_Anne2
// PVA 1003: PVA_Anne3
// PVA 1004: PVA_Anne4
//
// PVA 2000: PVA_Raptor0
// PVA 2001: PVA_Raptor1
//
// PVA 3000: PVA_TRex0
//
// PVA 4000: PVA_Trike0
// PVA 4001: PVA_Trike1
//
//**************************************


And the functions in Builds 32 and 55 with the names taken from the debug strings contained in the Build 32 exe:

Code:
//**************************************
//
// PVA Assignments Key:
//
// PVA 0: PVA_0
// PVA 1: PVA_1
// PVA 2: PVA_2
// PVA 3: PVA_3
// PVA 4: PVA_4 - Latest Raptor (Dancing Raptor)
// PVA 5: PVA_5 - New Anne Stuff (lots of hand modifications incl. opening/closing)
//
// PVA 1000: PVA_Anne0
// PVA 1001: PVA_Anne1
// PVA 1002: PVA_Anne2
// PVA 1003: PVA_Anne3
// PVA 1004: PVA_Anne4
//
// PVA 2000: PVA_Raptor0
// PVA 2001: PVA_Raptor1
//
// PVA 3000: PVA_TRex0
// PVA 3001: PVA_TRex_m
// PVA 3002: PVA_TRex_alpha_f
//
// PVA 4000: PVA_Trike0
// PVA 4001: PVA_Trike1
//
// PVA 5000: PVA_Allos_m_A01
//
// PVA 6000: PVA_Para1
//
// PVA 7000: PVA_Steg1
//
// PVA 9000: PVA_Brachi0
//
// PVA 11000: PVA_TrexBaby1
//
//**************************************


So, there are 23 hardcoded PVAs in those exes...

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I find it interesting to see that the TRex PVA is using the same names as the meshes in the levels. And I also see that the Allo also is using the same name theme as the TRex.

I have send a message to see if he remembers anything if these dinosaurs were ever implemented into a level.

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